Trying a different tire

topic posted Thu, August 2, 2007 - 7:00 AM by  Rick
I ride a HD Dyna Super Glide -- a 'sport cruiser'. The Harley's all come stock with Dunlop's and Dunlop had a strike this year, many of the tires are only available at HD dealers, and the last tire I had changed by a dealer cost me about $100 for the labor alone.

Nervously, I'm switching over to Metzler ME 880 tires. It's not like my car where I'll put the cheapest tires on it (because it eats them anyways from uncorrectable alignment problems), and the Metzlers have good reviews.... but I'm still a little nervous about how well those tires will hold up with the wide variety of riding that I do. Switching to the ME's opens up my options for where I can have them installed -- the place doing it is charging $40/tire on the bike.

I thought I'd start this thread so I could hear your simular experiences with changing tire brands/types, and also follow it up with a review of the tires after putting some miles on them.
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Rick
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Trying a different tire

    Thu, August 2, 2007 - 10:05 AM
    I have heard that the Metzlers are very good tires for bikes with a high unsprung weight, such as the big shaft drive models. In fact, they are standard OEM on some BMW's. On the sportbike side, I have heard that they are dangerous. I have read numerous reports of Metzlers simply letting go of the road in only moderate cornering. The explanation that I have seen which makes the most sense to me, is that the Metzlers have very stiff sidewalls, and therefore are well tuned to heavy bikes. They do not flex enough for sportbikes to stay upright on them.

    It seems to me that they would by fine for a heavy bike like an HD. However, I have not heard from an HD owner anything pro or con about them.
  • Re: Trying a different tire

    Thu, August 2, 2007 - 12:51 PM
    Been running Metzlers on BMWs for many years with no complaints.
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      Mon, August 6, 2007 - 10:47 AM
      These last two comments coincide with what I have heard.... great tires on shaft drive bikes. When I was in a Triumph/Yamaha dealer recently, a guy came in and grabbed two Metztler tires off the rack for purchase. When the service guy asked him what kind of bike they were going on and it turned out not to be a BMW, they told him not to buy the Metzlers, and they recomended Michelins for his particular use.
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        Thu, August 9, 2007 - 3:04 PM
        There is a ride that I have been doing mid-day lately. 40 minutes each way, and gets into some nice twisties in the hills near me. There are a number of coffeeshops in this rural area. Happened upon a guy on a Yamaha R something, he wanted to keep up. I am now very familiar with the road, and it seems I lost him for good on the first set of challenging curves. To be honest, the first time I encountered this set, I took them fairly slowly and they still got my adrenalin going in one tricky transition.

        Anyway, I rode on alone to try a new lunch place. It turned out to be owned by a harley davidson rider, and one of his friends showed up on a harley. We chatted for a bit. When I went out to mount my bike and return home, I noticed that he was running Metlers on his sportster. I asked him about it, and he had nothing but praise for them. This was his second set. He got nearly 10,000 miles out of the rear tire with his first set.
  • Re: Trying a different tire

    Fri, August 10, 2007 - 4:59 PM
    It's been a week since the switch from Dunlops to Metzlers. Here's what I have to report:

    The first couple miles on the new tires were WEIRD. The bike felt like it was going to tip over, especially at low speeds. Looking back, I attribute that to the differences in the tires - the previous tires had a wide, bias ply rear tire that was very flat, with a very stiff sidewall, so the bike would almost balance on the rear tire! The new rear tire is a radial with a much softer sidewall, and it's a narrower, lighter tire, so it seems to make the bike much easier to turn. Particularly noticeable at slow speeds! Once I got past those first few miles though.... I started to like these new rubbers.

    On the highway these tires really started to come to life. Even before I had finished a reasonable break-in period I noticed that they handled grooved concrete better than anything I had ever run. I remember back in the days when I rode a 280lb 500cc super-motard and when I'd hit grooved concrete that bike would squirm all over the place -- very un-nerving! My Harley was significantly better on grooved concrete - bone-stock, but it still moved around a little, just not enough to scare me. I gotta give Metzler some credit for a great tread design, these tires don't catch on anything -- grooved concrete feels no different than smooth asphalt, and even changing lanes is smoother -- you never notice that you're moving from one strip of pavement to another, the tires always give you a sure-footed feeling.

    Over bumps, the radial rear tire is much smoother. I'd attribute some of that to it's more flexible sidewall, and some of it to it's reduced weight. The new Metzler probably weighs only 2/3's of what the Dunlop weighed in at. This contributes to a better suspension action, as anytime you can reduce unsprung weight (wheels, tires, brakes, etc) you'll have a better ride. A passenger on the back that has been on the bike a number of times commented that the bike felt smoother with the new tires.

    The down side of the tire change is that I went from a 180/60 to a 170/60. It's not that I notice any less traction (I did notice more traction when I went from the stock 160/70 to the 180/60, but no loss switching to the 170/60R), it's in the looks department. The wider tire looked cooler, that's all.

    I guess the next test will be how long they last, and how sticky they are when I go out riding in the twisties with my sportbike-riding buddies.
    • Re: Trying a different tire

      Fri, August 10, 2007 - 9:17 PM
      My shovel is a retro style bike and the guy that built it put Cokers on it, a mild knobby pattern, not dirt type by any means, an old style tread. It was scary on the freeway, really ossilated (sp?). I was advised to try the Avon MKII, a 16" 4.00, it made a big difference on the freeway, it doesn't wobble in the grooves. It's an old style universal tread, dirt road & street tire. Its good on the twisties too (realitivly) for a hardtail 50's style. No hopping unless there's holes or rocks.
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      Sat, August 11, 2007 - 3:13 AM
      I've been riding on a variety of tires over the past 13 years, and been riding on Metzler's for the bigger part of those years. Never had any problems with them, even when on the front. And yeah, they have a weird feel when you get on the bike for the first few clicks. But that's the nature of the beast, if you want a tire that corners well... . They usually have harder centres, so they do last longer then one would think, even when you throttle the bike when that light hit the green, you'll hardly see any wear at all, an all round good tire, even in the rain.
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        Sat, August 11, 2007 - 7:45 AM
        <even when you throttle the bike when that light hit the green>

        Yeah, when you're splitting lanes it's nice to get out in front of the pack, isn't it?

        I notice more rear tire wear the more i split lanes on the expressway. hmmm.
      • Re: Trying a different tire

        Mon, August 13, 2007 - 2:06 PM
        A buddy of mine -- that rides an '07 dyna also -- switched to Metzlers also, but went with Metzler Lasertech tires. He loves then, says they ride and handle much better than the OEM Dunlops.

        Maybe one of these days we can do some side-by-side comparison of our two different tires and see how they differ....
        • Re: Trying a different tire

          Mon, August 13, 2007 - 7:00 PM
          Does anyone know of any side by side comparisons of various bike tyres?
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            Tue, August 14, 2007 - 6:07 AM
            • Re: Trying a different tire

              Sun, September 16, 2007 - 3:49 PM
              I just replaced my Battlax's with Power 2CT's. Big difference. The Michelin's fall into a lean much more readily, and they feel a lot stickier. I have not scrubbed the tires in yet, so no real testing. My initial impression is that the Power 2's are much more to my liking.

              On the other hand, I did get 8,500 miles out of the Bridgestone's.
              • Re: Trying a different tire

                Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:51 PM
                update on the metzler ME880's

                I just replaced the rear tire, I got 9k miles on it, a little better than the dunlops I had run. I went with another metzler... it's almost $100 cheaper, and they are nice tires. although, I would say that the last thousand miles or so it was starting to get a bit rough. between my worn-out shocks, a thinly padded seat, and a tire with little tread, I could really feel the road a little better than I would have liked too! replaced the tire, and it got much better. next up, some new shocks.