Well it's a nice conundrum to address someone with issues to answer and then accuse them of needing to have the last word.

As for the "white woman" with the implications if privelege and ease I'll quote another response from another thread... Oh BTW it was about 'no' actually meaning 'no' [I was on the 'yes, no does mean no' for those who want to villify] .

"1] you assume that I came from an upper or upper middle class environment and you are wrong.

2] you assume that I am 'white' or brought up in an environment of priveledge and you are wrong

3] you assume that my family has not experienced oppression and you are wrong.

21 generations ago my Irish ancestor came over as an endentured servant, fleeing the persecution of the English, lived his life as a servant and his children lived as servants.

My Modoc ancestors were the last free Native Americans [OriginalCalifornians] in this country and fought very hard to stay that way. They were outnumbered and outgunned but held off the federal government for weeks on end in the Marble mountains, only to in the end, relent and be absorbed.

My grandfather fervently refused to take an oath to McCarthy when he had begun persecuting Communists and by doing so my grandfather was branded a Communist. When that happened his whole family [my grandmother, and her three sons] was shunned by the community. Nobody would talk to them, teach them, play with them, or sell them anything. My grandfather had to go to another town to buy seed. Eventually he decided to remove himself [through his own death] in order to relieve his family of the stigma of the McCarthy brand, and then my grandmother had to run a farm, find a job, and raise her three sons alone.

My father was fervently active in the civil rights movement and we had our phones tapped by the FBI on more than one occasion.

I had been homeless at thirteen and have had to deal with all sorts of classist assumptions.

I find it ironic that you universally try to 'universalize' me by assuming I am priveleged or without struggle because you presume to see a white middle class woman. Do not speak with authority of that which you do not know. "

Also I do not live in San Francisco and the policy of hospitals being held liable for not treating or ~finding treatment~ for all who enter their emergency rooms is still nation-wide.

In addition, On-Lok [an Asian Cultural Service, but not limited to those who are of asian descent] has a comprehensive clinic and offers free service to those who can't afford it, oh but it is in San Francisco. There are plenty of other community based services, you just have to make the effort to find them. The California Healthcare Foundation has grants as well. It's out there.

As for my college education, yup I got one, but not becasue a family member set up a trust fund. I got it because I borrowed money from a federal program available to all races and creeds and I won't be ashamed for working my ass off and going into debt for it.

As for running off the road while driving drunk, without wearing a seatbelt or carrying a driver's license...I can only say that some define Karma as the result of dropping a hammer while holding it above your foot.

I had addressed what you said was not being addressed by saying that these companies have a right to deny in those circumstances if it is in the policy on the outset, -=and=- that it is a perfectly feasable and reasonable business decision to do so. I came up with numbers, and facts. Others have yet to come up with viable counters to those numbers.

Again, these are businesses not government services, if you think it should be a government service like military, police, and fire protection [which I do] then push for socialized medicine. You will find however that the system will then become very untiltarian and there will be several people who will 'fall through the cracks' because the cost of care is so high.

Rebecca may have started the 'girl card' thing but you ran with it and if you're offended by my calling you on it, that's your cross to bear.

You've manipulated what I said.

You have yet to come up with anything other than 'Nuh-uh'.