Here is a post from a Triumph forum. I know that opinions vary on this tribe as to whether motorists can't hear pipes, or if the noise just pisses them off. I found this interesting. Not exactly scientific... but one of those things that seems to have merit. Just as I have noticed that when cages turn in front of me, my high beam is always off.
"I stumbled onto an interesting social experiment once with regards to
pipe volume...
I worked at the same place for almost 10 years and lived at the same
house for 5 of those years so I took pretty much the same route to work
every day for those 5 years.
At the time I had a VTR1000F and had drilled out the baffles so it had a
nice (not offensively) loud note. Then I wrote it off (another story)
and decided to replace it with another VTR1000F but while I was running
the second one in, I left it entirely stock so I didn't change the
exhaust at all.
The difference in "safety" was amazing!! I rode the same route, at the
same time, with the same gear, same colour bike and with the same riding
attitude/practices - but immediately I had people trying to kill me!!
Just the normal stuff - changing lanes over the top of me, etc, etc,
nothing malicious, but very, very obviously more frequent. I had one
memorable 500m stretch where 6(!!!!) cars tried to merge on me one after
the other! I would have thrown my hands up in the air except I was
looking out for #7...
Of course, at first I thought I was just having a string of bad luck but
then when I finally drilled out the cans again, it all stopped.
So, while I'll be the first to admit that I really, really like a
louder-than-stock exhaust note simply because of the noise, I also stand
by the fact that there is a level of safety added by giving other road
users an "auditory warning" of your approach.
Noisy Pete (as my 2 y/o niece calls me)
ps note the correct spelling of "colour"..."
"I stumbled onto an interesting social experiment once with regards to
pipe volume...
I worked at the same place for almost 10 years and lived at the same
house for 5 of those years so I took pretty much the same route to work
every day for those 5 years.
At the time I had a VTR1000F and had drilled out the baffles so it had a
nice (not offensively) loud note. Then I wrote it off (another story)
and decided to replace it with another VTR1000F but while I was running
the second one in, I left it entirely stock so I didn't change the
exhaust at all.
The difference in "safety" was amazing!! I rode the same route, at the
same time, with the same gear, same colour bike and with the same riding
attitude/practices - but immediately I had people trying to kill me!!
Just the normal stuff - changing lanes over the top of me, etc, etc,
nothing malicious, but very, very obviously more frequent. I had one
memorable 500m stretch where 6(!!!!) cars tried to merge on me one after
the other! I would have thrown my hands up in the air except I was
looking out for #7...
Of course, at first I thought I was just having a string of bad luck but
then when I finally drilled out the cans again, it all stopped.
So, while I'll be the first to admit that I really, really like a
louder-than-stock exhaust note simply because of the noise, I also stand
by the fact that there is a level of safety added by giving other road
users an "auditory warning" of your approach.
Noisy Pete (as my 2 y/o niece calls me)
ps note the correct spelling of "colour"..."
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Mon, July 23, 2007 - 8:46 PMFor sure there is merit to the argument, I also appreciate that you used the term loudish instead of just simply loud (or deafening as most people interpret it).
I ride a bike with aftermarket pipes on it and I can safely say that in town I feel much more noticed. I've even noticed vehicles that have plenty of room to get over look twice before getting in front of me.
This all goes away on the freeway though, I get the same amount of incidents as I used to with my old stock pipe. I can also vouch for the freeway effect as a cager because I've been surprised myself by really loud bikes that where silent while still in my rearview.
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Mon, July 23, 2007 - 10:14 PMWell, I know that for sure when I'm driving that I am much more aware of the presence of bikes with louder pipes...
There's something special about setting off car alarms with the Ducati though, safety notwithstanding! *grin*
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Tue, July 24, 2007 - 4:37 AMI have modulating headlights and I find whenever I use those everybody sees me -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 9:39 AMMy only bike for 14 years was my 1970 R75/5. I never wanted it to be louder, even when I got teased by my Harley-riding friends. When I got my Harley, I noticed that the noise made a little difference in traffic, but I've developed the habit of riding like no one can see me. I've since switched out the supertrapps the Harley came with for stock exhaust. Bike runs WAAAAAAY better.
You want to be safe? Learn how to ride defensively, stay out of everyone's way, always look for the open space. Quiet bikes attract far less attention from law enforcement. Yeah, really. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Tue, August 7, 2007 - 11:44 AMYes the louder pipes help…. But I would say that TOO loud is actually worst. A lot of Harley people around my area go for as loud as they can legally get away with. I think that having an extremely loud bike, a cager will be looking for you way before you actually come up on them. To be honest I think creates an unsafe condition. I would prefer that they hear that I am behind them and let me pass instead of wondering if I am still a block away. But this is just me. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 11:20 AMYeah, overly loud pipes piss me off, and I'm a biker...think of how most cagers react when they're stuck in traffic with a roaring thunder in front/ behind them. Loud's ok, if it makes you noticed, but exaggerating with the Db's, causes more problems then solving them. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 4:30 PMToo loud is also bad for your own ears - - - hearing loss. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Wed, August 8, 2007 - 8:50 PMDon't go through Denver with your "loud" pipes. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Thu, August 9, 2007 - 10:43 AM'Don't go through Denver with your "loud" pipes. '
Same goes for Germany, if you're going to ride there, got some nasty frowns from the locals....luckily no cop on my path ( or maybe it was because I had my music on speakers, fed by an amp/woofer stapped to my tank ...) .
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 10:18 AMI've found that with deafeningly loud pipes I can't even tell where they are. The echoes bounce of of EVERYTHING to the point that I can't locate the bike making all the racket. So they are effectively shooting themselves in the foot AND pissing off everyone in a two block radius.
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Tue, December 18, 2007 - 2:16 PMI'd say that a headlight modulator and a bright colored helmet and gear would be better bets for visibility. More predictable than sound, and with fewer social/legal consequences. -
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Re: Loudish pipes and safety...
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 1:39 AMLEO's are crackin down on the "loud" bikes. . .
but i still like to make a lil noise. . . .
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